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 [2stroke] Ryger engine

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Jan Thiel



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Age : 77
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Date d'inscription : 12/10/2010

MessageSujet: Re: [2stroke] Ryger engine   Lun 24 Avr 2017 - 9:21

How many have really been sold?
Any satisfied customers?
Races won?
Lap records broken?
Power curve?
Not 1 power curve made in 2 years?
Or afraid to publish it?

Sorry about the 1 year error!
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Nombre de messages : 75
Age : 74
Localisation : Pays Bas
Date d'inscription : 25/05/2011

MessageSujet: Re: [2stroke] Ryger engine   Lun 24 Avr 2017 - 13:01

Jan, Why can't you wait till we are ready?
It is up to Ryger to publish there invention at the time they are ready for it.
No one else can change that, so don't get angry and please wait a little patient.

All free information incl. a powercurve is here: [Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir ce lien]
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fullgazlolo



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Date d'inscription : 04/01/2016

MessageSujet: Re: [2stroke] Ryger engine   Lun 24 Avr 2017 - 16:28

OK, so I can ask for the certified documents?
And if I do that, what will I have more?
Why can't you publish the certificates instead of asking us to be patient?
I really have difficulties to understand the rules of their communication!
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ambike



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Localisation : DFW,Texas
Date d'inscription : 15/11/2013

MessageSujet: Re: [2stroke] Ryger engine   Sam 13 Mai 2017 - 5:37

Hola guys ~

Always nice to check in, but where does the Time go ? !!

In regards to being PATIENT, here's a little something I snagged last month.

YES, by WAITING on the sidelines for a few YEARS, it came to me at the RIGHT PRICE.

It's still NEW, and an awesome bike !

PATIENCE is a VIRTUE !!  

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But wait, here's another that should be more acceptable to the 2T brethren.

I WAITED a long time to RELIVE one of these. A bit too pricey for what it is, but like the idiot rappers chant, " ya only live once ".

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MessageSujet: Re: [2stroke] Ryger engine   Jeu 6 Juil 2017 - 7:49

LucF a écrit:
Jan, Why can't you wait till we are ready?
It is up to Ryger to publish there invention at the time they are ready for it.
No one else can change that, so don't get angry and please wait a little patient.

All free information incl. a powercurve is here:  http://rygerengine.com/publications/

On the Kiwi Biker forum someone discovered on a Rygerised HondaNS that without pipe it runs like with pipe.
This was my reply:

Yes Katinas, that is right, the Ryger is not running on the pipe as normal with a twostroke.
And there is far more to tell, where nobody thought or wrote about till sofar !!
That is why Ryger is a different 2 stroke principle with new twostroke laws and proofs this is not "bullshit".
Also when I wrote that 30k is realy possible, but not advisible for a too easy breakdown and we succeed to make this lower.
Some little proofs about the mentionned powergraphic, (which nobody believes) wil follow.
Also the proof for a trackrecord will follow soon.
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MessageSujet: Re: [2stroke] Ryger engine   Jeu 6 Juil 2017 - 9:23

Here is a new realtime power graphic and some proofs of the powergraphics which I published before.

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Date d'inscription : 05/12/2011

MessageSujet: Re: [2stroke] Ryger engine   Jeu 6 Juil 2017 - 23:55

LucF a écrit:
Here is a new realtime power graphic and some proofs of the powergraphics which I published before.

[Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir ce lien]

is it my stupidity, or is this the first time I see a dynograph where the power and torque curves have exactly the same shape ?
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MessageSujet: Re: [2stroke] Ryger engine   Ven 7 Juil 2017 - 3:05

Yes, strange indeed, looks questionable....
Looks more like a computer simulation!
If this power is really there they have to win every race they enter.
We will see.....
Only after they start winning with a half lap advantage I will start to believe them!
Until now they have not even finished 1 race....
After some years of shouting they now have to PROVE themselves!
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MTex



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Date d'inscription : 22/11/2010

MessageSujet: Re: [2stroke] Ryger engine   Ven 7 Juil 2017 - 5:23

LucF a écrit:
Here is a new realtime power graphic and some proofs of the powergraphics which I published before.

[Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir ce lien]
This is not a test bench curve but an extrapolation from a vehicle data logger, you can make it say whatever you want.
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ambike



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Date d'inscription : 15/11/2013

MessageSujet: Re: [2stroke] Ryger engine   Ven 7 Juil 2017 - 7:31

Why do you guys use eff-face book ?

Can't post the data right here ?



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Jan Thiel



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MessageSujet: Re: [2stroke] Ryger engine   Ven 7 Juil 2017 - 7:41

MTex a écrit:
LucF a écrit:
Here is a new realtime power graphic and some proofs of the powergraphics which I published before.

[Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir ce lien]
This is not a test bench curve but an extrapolation from a vehicle data logger, you can make it say whatever you want.

That is what I think too.....
If they ever want to sell engines they first have to win.
Their bragging has caused a deep and justified mistrust!!!
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MessageSujet: Re: [2stroke] Ryger engine   Ven 7 Juil 2017 - 9:32

Thanks for all the positive replies, but no doubt Ryger time is coming !!

Katinas (of KiwiBiker), you made a nice engine and will find out in step by step as we did in the past.
Sorry that it is a long way because a Ryger engine is not a normal twostroke, and many normal twostroke laws are complete the oposite, so that even so called "experts" can't understand.
That's why a Ryger can't be made easy in the right way and many attemps will end in a delusion.

When I got involved end 2008, after I made the 'out of the box FST engine',
Ryger called me and I won't believe it too that this was something for me when looking for more power.

But after some time when the real power was a fact, I had no choise and starts to think about the principle and to find out were the power has to come from.
And found several details which are very important, of which the temperature in several ways is one of the most important, but sure not the only one.
All details, including the calculated data, will be described in the publication, which follows the moment Ryger is ready for it.
No doubt Ryger time is coming !!

Kind regards
Luc

FST-twostroke-design [Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir ce lien]

And read this description that Ryger is not the only one which does not run on the pipe !! and why 30k is possible !!
[Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir ce lien]


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MessageSujet: Re: [2stroke] Ryger engine   Ven 7 Juil 2017 - 9:43

So you are involved for 9 years already, and have not won ONE single race?
When you start to regularly beat KZ's people may start to believe you!
Otherwise you will not sell any engines.....
Just big talking is insufficient!
Now you have to DEMONSTRATE!
On an independent and publicly known dyno.
Such as Rob Compier, Thijs Hessels or Wout Jacobs.
So people can believe the results.....
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LucF



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MessageSujet: Re: [2stroke] Ryger engine   Ven 7 Juil 2017 - 13:40

Shouting to me or Ryger Jan, to tell us what we should have to do is not the way to get the answers you realy wanted to know.
So again, all information will be avaiable in the Publication and may be some details before.

Regards,
Luc
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Senne s



Nombre de messages : 56
Localisation : Austria
Date d'inscription : 02/03/2014

MessageSujet: Re: [2stroke] Ryger engine   Ven 7 Juil 2017 - 21:32

I don't get it Luc, why do you always post shady and vague pictures like this if you could easily take it to an independent dyno centre, put a clean pdf on the internet and stop all the negativity? Literally half a day's work. Remember that you are selling an engine that costs thousands of euros...
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MessageSujet: Re: [2stroke] Ryger engine   Sam 8 Juil 2017 - 7:17

That would be so easy and convincing......
But maybe the claimed HP would not show.
An independent dyno centre would be a nightmare.
But their first buyer will surely do this.
Only then will we know the truth.....
And on the result depends if they sell more than 1 engine!

They seem to have no idea about marketing....
Neither do I.
But I think that starting by declaring impossible things is not the right way....


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Bob van der Zijden



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Date d'inscription : 10/09/2013

MessageSujet: Re: [2stroke] Ryger engine   Sam 8 Juil 2017 - 7:47

A well adjusted TM KZ engine costs around 4500 euros incl sales in Holland and  produces 45 genuine HP. Price tag for a Ryger that NEVER showed ANY result is around 6700 euros incl sales tax in Holland. Its difficult to keep on believing in what I am afraid are fairy tales.
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MessageSujet: Re: [2stroke] Ryger engine   Sam 8 Juil 2017 - 8:22

They are saying they beat the lap record at EEFDE Bob.
You might know better than me what this means....
Probably not much.
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LucF



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MessageSujet: Re: [2stroke] Ryger engine   Sam 8 Juil 2017 - 9:26

Both of you may be negative for a short while, but soon you will find out that you are wrong.
Whatever the publication will make clear

The most negative for you both and all those negatives, who call themselves an 2t expert, is that you/they could not make sense of what really happens in this Ryger 2t.

I would be very ashamed to miss such a thing so strongly.


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MessageSujet: Re: [2stroke] Ryger engine   Sam 8 Juil 2017 - 9:42

You started with your 30.000 rpm, which is, quite obviously, mechanically impossible.
Even a complete fool could understand that!
So do not be surprised when people don't believe you....
The only things people will believe now is a power curve made on an independent dyno.
And some race victories, beating KZ engines.


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JanBros



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MessageSujet: Re: [2stroke] Ryger engine   Sam 8 Juil 2017 - 9:54

LucF a écrit:
Both of you may be negative for a short while, but soon you will find out that you are wrong.
Whatever the publication will make clear

if the quality of that publication is the same as the proof you provided up till now, I doubt many people will.
you haven't commented on your latest proof, where the power and torque curves have the same shape . I get it that apparently we do not get how the Ryger works differently compared to the normal 2-stroke.
but surely the Ryger can not change the way curvs are being drawn on graphs.

If you do not want to post real graph's yet, fine. just don't post "BS-proof" as that only makes it worse.
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MessageSujet: Re: [2stroke] Ryger engine   Sam 8 Juil 2017 - 10:14

Jan Thiel a écrit:
You started with your 30.000 rpm, which is, quite obviously, mechanically impossible.
So do not be surprised when people don't believe you....
The only things people will believe now is a power curve made on an independent dyno.
And some tace victories, beating KZ engines.

No Jan, you said it's impossible, but Ryger did made it and still can made an engine with 70hp and max rpm of 30k. If you like it or not!!

You showed to be unable to understand that the Ryger principle made this possible, which is a blamage.

But I wrote many times that this is not the engine we want to set in the market, which takes a long time to change.
End 2016 we succeed to make one of which we published the first powergraphs, which are not drawed by me in a nice curve, but realy take over from a realtime datasheet.

Also not from a simulation program which you said many times !!!, without knowing the real true.
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MessageSujet: Re: [2stroke] Ryger engine   Sam 8 Juil 2017 - 10:19

If we believe one of the most knowledgeble 2 stroke experts we have to wait and wait. Time will tell.
I'm afraid our LUC is bedding on the wrong horse with an unreliable jockey.
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MessageSujet: Re: [2stroke] Ryger engine   Sam 8 Juil 2017 - 10:25

I agree with JanBros Luc, I do not claim to be a 2 stroke expert at all. In fact I have not even looked at the Ryger principle.

I just see that you seem so frustrated about fighting all these 'negative people' for years now, but you clearly have more than one running engine now, and you have put it on a dyno. So the solution to stop all the criticism is right in your hand!

You have been talking about this 'publication' for months, maybe even years... that's fine we can wait. But meanwhile instead of trying to prove your claims with a vague picture of some random PC screen you could just shut everyone up by putting it on an independant dyno.

I mean really the solution is so simple, so no wonder people don't trust it.
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MessageSujet: Re: [2stroke] Ryger engine   Sam 8 Juil 2017 - 10:35

Don't you read???

End 2016 we succeed to make one of which we published the first powergraphs, which are not drawed by me in a nice curve, but realy take over from a realtime datasheet.

Any idee??? what it takes before you have a production ready for selling over the world?

And we DON'T start sooner than everything has to be 100%

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