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Eric_91 a écrit:
With Narrower exhaust duct im expect less gas expansion so higher exhaust temp so more Max Power but less bottom end, correct?
A narrower exhaust duct will provoke less turbulence, hence more remaining energy in the exhaust gas; in this respect you may be right. But I also expect a different, stronger effect: the narrower duct will lower the Helmholtz frequency of the exhaust system, so more bottom end. Try and let us know, Eric.
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Good afternoon everyone, I have another question for Frits or Jan.
I've seen in a magazine a strange mod applied to the dome of a head, see these grooves:
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The tuner claims it improves atomization of the fuel, then most likely its combustion, and prevents from detonation.
What is your opinion on such thing?
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Ce serait pas une culasse lagarigue... inventeur aussi du piston gonflable?
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carlovitch1 a écrit:
I've seen in a magazine a strange mod applied to the dome of a head, see these grooves:
The tuner claims it improves atomization of the fuel, then most likely its combustion, and prevents from detonation. What is your opinion on such thing?
It is 100% Bullshit, just like internal golf ball-dimpling and turbo-crankshafts.
I have seen a power comparison of such a cylinder head, before and after the modification.
The after-version was fractionally better but the tuner 'forgot' to mention that he had also raised the compression ratio.
A cylinder head with the raised compression ratio and without the grooves would have been a lot cheaper and perform a lot better, but the tuner was not going to say that to his customers...
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Thanks for your reply, Frits !
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carlovitch1 a écrit:
Good afternoon everyone, I have another question for Frits or Jan.
I've seen in a magazine a strange mod applied to the dome of a head, see these grooves:
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The tuner claims it improves atomization of the fuel, then most likely its combustion, and prevents from detonation.
What is your opinion on such thing?
Big jump in the impression ratio along with a corresponding decrease in you bank balance
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One question about exhaust for Frits.

What inside diameter had the tailpipes of the RSW 125/250?

With the FOS formula for the tailpipe i calculate an inside diameter of approx 29-29,4mm depending of the assumed rpm of max. power. That sounds quite big.
On the drawing of the "tubo 102" the restrictor is labeled 23,3mm. Jan Thiel wrote here in the forum that the RSA had a tailpipe inside diameter of 26mm.
There´s a big difference between 26mm and 29,4mm.

As I´m about to construct a pair of exhaust with the "tubo 102"-design I´m really interested in your suggestion about the "right" tailpipe diameter.
The max power rpm of the engine is about 12.800-13.000 rpm and the cylinder capacity is 124,9ccm.
Thank you in advance for an answer.
Best regards,
Bernd
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Döllinger a écrit:
With the FOS formula for the tailpipe i calculate an inside diameter of approx 29-29,4mm depending of the assumed rpm of max. power. That sounds quite big. On the drawing of the "tubo 102" the restrictor is labeled 23,3mm. Jan Thiel wrote here in the forum that the RSA had a tailpipe inside diameter of 26mm. There´s a big difference between 26mm and 29,4mm.
The flow difference between a 26 mm tube and a 29,4 mm tube would be huge, but the 23,3 mm restrictor (diameter D5 in the drawing below) at the entrance of this tube should annihilate any flow difference. And in order to make sure that the restrictor,
and not the tube diameter D6 downstream of the restrictor is decisive, I advised a D6 diameter that is markedly bigger than D5.

The difference between perforated silencer tubes with 26 mm or 29,4 mm diameter is not big when it comes to silencing,
but in my experience the bigger diameter, with obviously a bigger wall surface area, gives slightly better silencing.
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