[2stroke] Ryger engine

The problem is that it is NOT running 'as it should'!
They never even sold 1 engine.
And now it seems that RYGER is bankrupt...

[quote="Jan Thiel"]The problem is that it is NOT running 'as it should'!
They never even sold 1 engine.
And now it seems that RYGER is bankrupt...
It was just one big lie.....

Jan Thiel a écrit:

Jan Thiel a écrit:

The problem is that it is NOT running 'as it should'!
They never even sold 1 engine.
And now it seems that RYGER is bankrupt...
It was just one big lie.....

Outdated information Jan, nothing has changed since my last post !
Ryger is still alive and never stopped developpement, so better than ever before !
And once more a new 2t concept is a long way and sure not the same as devellopping a 100 years existing one !

Good afternoon All!

So Luc, as I could read there's a new workshop. How many engines have been already sold? Do you have new orders to deliver?

Nice picture, thanks !

Any news?
After 2 years....
Or is total failure finally admitted?

Very interesting....

Always nice to see a bit more leg !

Appears to be a BIG failure...…
Like I predicted years ago!!!!

Jan Thiel a écrit:

Appears to be a BIG failure...…

don't you think  Luc will draw by hand a new even more impresive graph tomorrow to prove you wrong ?

JanBros a écrit:

Jan Thiel a écrit:

Appears to be a BIG failure...…

don't you think  Luc will draw by hand a new even more impresive graph tomorrow to prove you wrong ?

No, he wouldn’t!
On formula 1, They Call it « problème de corrélation »!

No reaction?
That means 100% failure and disaster for his financiers.....
But it was really stupid to believe the fairy tales!!!!!!!!!!!!!

50 unsold engines…..
Good for the scrapheap!!!!

The RYGER seems to be dead, finally....

what wonders me the most  is :
1/ all cart racer's and 2-stroke freaks in general are poor people as there isn't one anywhere in the world with too much money to spent to buy one and try it
I can not believe point 1 so :
2/ all cart racers are super traditional and not interested in new technology that could give them a power advantage over their competitor's
I can not believe point 2 either so :
3/ LucF has done such a terrible job of promoting/explaining the engine with his "immaginairy proof" , that everyone knows by now the Ryger concept is level with the Jehova's Witness' concept : you believe it or you don't, but it has nothing to do with the real world (and I immediatly appologise to all Jehova's  witness')
4/ the produced engines never produced the claims or lastet long enough all along and probably never will.

It's sad because I really would have loved to see one of these engines fully taken apart. Even if it does not work as great as hoped by the conceptors, it's always good to see different ideas and attempts, whatever the final result.

sure, who wouldn't ?
but you know what they say : "if it's too good to be true ..."

Now there is only one aspirated 125 2stroke that can dethrone aprilia Rsa and it's 54 hp title, is the Gnani 125 gp, an italian masterpiece. Jan Thiel should know about this engine, as far as i know jan and gabriele gnani are friends and phone each other for speaking about engines, maybe Jan can tell us what he think about and if the 54 hp barrier can be break, now gnani should be around 52 hp if i remember well, there are a lot videos on youtube where he talks about his work, search visita reparto corse gnani and you will find they, are in italian. Anyway gnani is developing his engine for more than 20 years an every year gain a bit of power,54 hp shouldn't be far. It would be nice have a topic about gnani engine on this forum...

Insyro1 a écrit:

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Bonsoir Insyro1 , peut tu m'expliquer le petit bocal de lookeed sur la pompe a eau ?

Cordialement Alain C.

Insyro1 a écrit:

Now there is only one aspirated 125 2stroke that can dethrone aprilia Rsa and it's 54 hp title, is the Gnani 125 gp, an italian masterpiece. Jan Thiel should know about this engine, as far as i know jan and gabriele gnani are friends and phone each other for speaking about engines, maybe Jan can tell us what he think about and if the 54 hp barrier can be break, now gnani should be around 52 hp if i remember well, there are a lot videos on youtube where he talks about his work, search visita reparto corse gnani and you will find they, are in italian. Anyway gnani is developing his engine for more than 20 years an every year gain a bit of power,54 hp shouldn't be far. It would be nice have a topic about gnani engine on this forum...

Insyro1, we hightly respect Gabriele Gnani and I agree that it would be nice to have a Gnani topic here.
If Gabriele keeps going on, he will certainly be able to break the 54 hp barrier as you call it, although I would not call it a barrier, but rather a point in time where development stopped.
Anyway, it may be good to look at these numbers in perspective. Gabriele is not just 2 hp away from the Aprilia RSA;
he is 2 hp away from what the RSA produced in 2007, the last year that Jan Thiel worked at this engine.

You are right Frits, it's not a barrier, it's only the state of the arts until now. I would like to see a graph of max power vs years for the 125 rsa development, i remeber jan saying he gain 0.5 hp per year or something like that, maybe there isn't an asymptote at a costant value like 55/56 hp.... maybe the "conventional" 2 stroke design still has a lot to say before an asymptote will be found, i would like to know..

One of my friend (well known in 2stroke or 4stroke engines in France and other countries) arrives now at almost 49hp with Tm KZ10c engines BUT with 30mm carburetor and flat ignition curve.
The power curve is very wide but the engine is very sensitive with jetting and the power curve depends highly of jetting settings.
So i think that latest aprilia were close to 60hp at crankshaft.
Anyway, more than 50 is pretty good.

Frits Overmars a écrit:

Jan Thiel a écrit:

Ryger is NOT bankrupt-yet

This announcement from the Dutch Chamber of Commerce would suggest that they are, Jan:

Citation :

2019-02-12: Wijziging: Per 15-11-2017 liquidatie beëindigd.
Per 11-2-2019 is de rechtspersoon uitgeschreven wegens Geen bekende baten meer aanwezig bij rechtspersoon.

I suppose it would also mean that you are no longer bound by your Non-Disclosure Agreement   .

I am sorry to revive this very old thread, but..... the statement of the Chamber of Commerce mentions: "Per 15-11-2017 liquidatie beeindigd" -> liquidation ended 15-11-2017.

In the current context, "liquidation" is the last step of the bankruptcy procedures, which apparently __ended__ in November 2017. The next statement indicates that the legal entity has been struck from the register on February 11 2019 (*).

This indicates that bankruptcy procedures for Ryger Kartmotor BV started __before__ November 2017. That means that any post of LucF from late 2017 has basically been a lie - he should have known that the company basically ceased to exist in November 2017 and that there was thus no future outlook.

(*) Dutch law on commercial enterprises states that a "BV" (a form of shareholder company) must have "continuation" as its prime objective. This regulation is to avoid fraud (make a company, get money from shareholders, then liquidate and run away with the money). As a result, a company cannot declare its own bankruptcy. If a company fails to meet its (financial) obligations to its shareholders, banks, creditors or otherwise, then the creditors can go to a special court and request that the company be placed under supervision. The supervisor will then try to find a solution; if the outlook for the company is really very weak, then one option is liquidation followed by bankruptcy. In the process of liquidation a caretaker (appointed by the court) will try to sell as many assets of the company as possible, in order to raise money and pay the creditors. Once everything of value has been sold, the legal entity becomes an "empty shell", which usually continues to exist for a while (for example, for things like pension funds, contractual obligations, etc). In the case of Ryger Kartmotor BV, the process of liquidation ended in November 2017 and the legal entity was finally dissolved in February 2019. Curiously, the website is still available in January 2020, although it was not updated after June 2018.