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Howard Gifford a écrit:
My thought is that if you time it right it would add energy to the reflected wave and thus aid in supercharging. At worst it would momentarily raise the static pressure which would have an effect. My question to you is have you or anyone else tried this.
"Timing it right" would mean sending the wave, that exits from tailpipe A, upstream into tailpipe B such that it arrives at the small end of Endcone B simultaneously with the primary wave from cylinder B. I haven't tried this and I do not know of anybody else who has. I think this is one for Vannik (EngMod2T). Neels, are you there?
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Frits and Howard, this is a very intriguing idea and I will investigate it over the next few days and report back. I am currently considering 3 different layouts and will make some basic sketches to make sure I understand what you have in mind.
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In addition to all your posts, this post about Garelli from Frits and Jan is pure gold for some of us. Amazing power curve for engine that old.
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Howard, is something like this what you had in mind?
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Your second layout is close to what I had in mind. The length of the tube from the exit of pipe a to exit b would need to be determined. I feel it would be close to 1/2 the TL of each pipe. Maybe a bit longer to time it to when the wave actually gets to the end of the pipe. Experimentation of diameter 3 would need to be tested as well to make sure the spent gasses escape whilst preserving as much of the wave transfer as possible without adding too much heat to the system.
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Okay, I will spend some time doing simulations and if it shows promise you can build it.
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Since I am a newcomer here, -to my person.
I was born a long time ago, but I was interested in motorcycles from a very early age, from 61, but especially in 2-strokes, and that until today! From 50 to 750 cc, single cylinder up to four cylinder, I have ridden them all on the road, as well as on all kinds of race tracks and championships.
Of course I have rebuilt and tuned all these motorcycles and engines, once with more and once with less success. Stopped counting at 372 exhaust systems, which I made for some drivers and for me, and all exhaust systems were oxyacetylene welded by me.
In my -Leisure-!... I often made a trip to the -Endurance-World Championship-, Bol d'Or Le Castellet, Spa, Le Mans, Monza.......and this one with 750cm³ -4T-. We always arrived at the finish, but sometimes we didn't know why ourselves.
To my first question and request. I need these special piston pin plug plugs, for 16mm pins and 8 pieces of them. Mr. Frits, or other members , can you please help me?
Oh yes, they call me Carassco.
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Quod et probat a écrit:
Since I am a newcomer here, -to my person.
I was born a long time ago, but I was interested in motorcycles from a very early age, from 61, but especially in 2-strokes, and that until today! From 50 to 750 cc, single cylinder up to four cylinder, I have ridden them all on the road, as well as on all kinds of race tracks and championships.
Of course I have rebuilt and tuned all these motorcycles and engines, once with more and once with less success. Stopped counting at 372 exhaust systems, which I made for some drivers and for me, and all exhaust systems were oxyacetylene welded by me.
In my -Leisure-!... I often made a trip to the -Endurance-World Championship-, Bol d'Or Le Castellet, Spa, Le Mans, Monza.......and this one with 750cm³ -4T-. We always arrived at the finish, but sometimes we didn't know why ourselves.
To my first question and request. I need these special piston pin plug plugs, for 16mm pins and 8 pieces of them.  Mr. Frits, or other members , can you please help me?
Oh yes, they call me Carassco.
Welcome, Carassco. I outsourced the manufacture of those plugs. I do not make them myself and I do not have any stock, but to enable everyone to make them, I made the drawings public; you should be able to find them here somewhere. The material used is Torlon.
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