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Frits Overmars

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MessageSujet: Re: [2 Stroke] Cagiva Mito Racer-new Exhaust   [2 Stroke] Cagiva Mito Racer-new Exhaust - Page 4 Icon_minitimeMar 18 Mar 2014 - 17:02

Your mention of the Mito's contralbero rang a bell. Is this the seven-speed engine?
Years ago I took a look at such an engine and I noticed the balance shaft having a half-circular shape and running submerged in gearbox oil. Fitting a circular sleeve around the balance shaft yielded 2 HP  Very Happy .
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MessageSujet: Re: [2 Stroke] Cagiva Mito Racer-new Exhaust   [2 Stroke] Cagiva Mito Racer-new Exhaust - Page 4 Icon_minitimeMar 18 Mar 2014 - 21:19

Yes, it is the seven-speed engine. I use a similar solution for balance shaft, a ergal cylinder closed at the sides.
But I've never tested the bike on the dyno  Embarassed  So I don't know how the change of a single component affects the the engine power. I try individually the various modifications (reeds, reed valve inserts, heads, ignition advance, exhausts, etc. ..). When the bike is faster and the rider gives me the positive feedback the material is good.

I perform the tests only on the track. I know how many HP have found my rivals on the dyno (37.5 hp). Also in italian 125 SP championship after the race tested at parc fermé the bikes (Aprilia RS 125 with Rotax 122 engine) on the dyno and found 37 hp at the wheel.
My bikes are faster and my drivers 10 kg heavier. From this data I hypothesize the engine power at the wheel. It is not very accurate... Surely with a good dyno would do it better and before.
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MessageSujet: Re: [2 Stroke] Cagiva Mito Racer-new Exhaust   [2 Stroke] Cagiva Mito Racer-new Exhaust - Page 4 Icon_minitimeJeu 20 Mar 2014 - 23:58

This is what I want to do on exhausts that I use currently:
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So I can quickly change the nozzles for testing.

A picture of today's practice in Rijeka (Croatia):
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{mRk} a écrit:
This is what I want to do on exhausts that I use currently:
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So I can quickly change the nozzles for testing.
That looks a lot like my solution  Wink 
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Thank you, the solution you posted looks better.
It is recommended to try similar solutions for the exhausts made ​​with the fos-pipe?
Having interchangeable inserts makes the job of tuning the exhaust with the engine easier.

Grazie, mi sembra una soluzione migliore.
Posso provare a utilizzare gli inserti anche con le marmitte realizzate con il programma fos-pipe?
Utilizzando gli inserti intercambiabili semplifico parte del lavoro di accordo della marmitta con il mio motore.
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Hi Frits, thanks a lot, again.
Your solution is brilliant!
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MessageSujet: Re: [2 Stroke] Cagiva Mito Racer-new Exhaust   [2 Stroke] Cagiva Mito Racer-new Exhaust - Page 4 Icon_minitimeSam 22 Mar 2014 - 11:52

{mRk} a écrit:
Thank you, the solution you posted looks better.
It is recommended to try similar solutions for the exhausts made ​​with the fos-pipe?
Having interchangeable inserts makes the job of tuning the exhaust with the engine easier.

Grazie, mi sembra una soluzione migliore.
Posso provare a utilizzare gli inserti anche con le marmitte realizzate con il programma fos-pipe?
Utilizzando gli inserti intercambiabili semplifico parte del lavoro di accordo della marmitta con il mio motore.

I have few certainties in life. One certainty is that sooner or later I will die. The second certainty is that to get good performance from a 2 stroke engine you need a good exhaust.
The rest are so many doubts. So if anyone has any advice on the conformations of the nozzles the tips are welcome.
I know that I will have to do many tests before trying a "decent" insert. I will use the bronze for the insert, is easy to work and polish.

Io ho poche certezze nella vita. Una certezza è che prima o poi dovrò morire. La seconda certezza è che per ottenere delle buone prestazioni da un motore 2T serve una buona marmitta.
Il resto sono tanti dubbi. Quindi se qualcuno ha qualche consiglio sulla conformazioni degli ugelli sono ben accetti.
So che dovrò fare tante prove prima di provare un inserto "decente". Userò il bronzo per l'inserto, è facile da lavorare e lucidare.
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Frits Overmars a écrit:
If I remember correctly, the Cagiva Mito has a balance shaft that runs at the bottom of the crankcase, immersed in gearbox oil, which consumes a lot of power. Putting a piece of tube around the balance shaft so that its external shape become cylindrical, will save about 2 HP.

Hi Frits, since you have experience with the Cagiva Mito engine, what percentage of the balance shaft suggest?
Thanks in advance for any response.

Ciao Frits, visto che hai esperienza con il motore Cagiva Mito, che percentuale di bilanciamento consigli per il contralbero?
Grazie in anticipo per l'eventuale risposta.
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{mRk} a écrit:
Hi Frits, since you have experience with the Cagiva Mito engine, what percentage of the balance shaft suggest?
Thanks in advance for any response.
My experience with the Mito engine is very limited and very old; we took a look at the Mito Sportproduction racer of an Italian friend in 1992. We did not change the balance shaft percentage; we did not even measure it; work on the real racing engine took all of our time.
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The balance shaft percentage is 35%.
The Mito engine is an old project of Aermacchi. In Cagiva introduced the balance shaft. I assume that the percentage is a consequence of the spaces in the engine. So I want to work to change the balance.
We use the mototorcycle in relatively fast circuits, the average lap speed varies from a minimum of 125 km/h up to a maximum of 145 km/h.
If anyone has any advice to give to me is appreciated.
We have fun with these old engines :)
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MessageSujet: Re: [2 Stroke] Cagiva Mito Racer-new Exhaust   [2 Stroke] Cagiva Mito Racer-new Exhaust - Page 4 Icon_minitimeMar 22 Mar 2016 - 10:04

I am continuing to experiment with the Cagiva Mito and Honda reeds valve. I have set up various materials for testing.
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I had better results with Cagiva Mito reed valve with and this conveyor
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Because the technical regulations I am forced to use a Dell'Orto VHST 28.


A question for those who have been able to test on the dyno. I use a seven-speed engine. I could also use an 6 speed engine. How much power is lost with the  seven-speed engine than the engine six-speed?
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